Christian Theology

September 5, 2008

Why one Christian won’t vote for Barack Obama

People keep asking me why I won’t vote for Obama. They figure I’m prone to his side of the agenda. He cares about the poor. He’s a religious man. A family man. I understand all of that. Besides, he is very charismatic and skillful at presentations of the issues. What’s not to like? And he is blessedly different from the status quo.

I’m really most comfortable with the older theological traditions. They seem to have more heft and meat to them. One of the things notable about the historic Christianity that I find most appealing is its steadfast pursuit of human rights and the high value placed upon human life, even before we had terminology for these things. Life is the primary issue.

That’s why friends tend to think that I might be pliable to an Obama shift. Concern for the poor is definitively a historic Christian concern. But we might be passing by these things a bit too abruptly. We can’t care for temporal happiness more than temporal existence. If we think that, for example, the unborn are living human beings, and as the sciences have shown unmistakably that this is the case, it is very difficult to consider them absent normal human valuation in the grand scope of things. I find it very hard to take people seriously as having a concern for the needy when they lightly pass by the weakest and most needful among us.

Many conservatives approach these issues as if taxation were the primary concern in the ideological battle for elective supremacy, but I would be the first in line to accept the “higher taxes” of the Left if the Democrats would adopt a platform that protected human life. If the real issue is taxation… fine; take the money and spare the children. Life issues come before property rights. That is not to be dismissive of property rights, they are very important, but they are not absolute, and biblically speaking, they are a distant second.

But that kind of deal is not on the table. More, the ultimate concerns of those driving these campaigns control what can and cannot be done in the pursiut of compromise. There are fundamental views of life, what it is, and how policies should be implemented that shape the worldviews as a whole. I am not saying the two are diametrically opposed. I tend toward understanding Republicans and Democrats as being much closer together than most in the parties would like to admit. Sometimes it is more an issue of emphases that difference. But still, Barack Obama can say things like this and receive raucous approval from admirers…

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” Barack Obama.

This could be the most calloused, inconsiderate statement concerning the prospect of a parent with regard to the extinguishment of their grandchild that I have yet heard. I can’t even begin to imagine its likeness. I understand that there are a lot of possible ways to take a statement like this, but none that is particularly good. How could a person take a child, the offspring of a loving union between two human beings, that would be one’s own grandchild by blood, and consider it a punishment upon their daughter, or something to be dispensed with because the child might cause uncomfortable circumstances. Every child causes uncomfortable circumstances.

What I am saying here is that we need to see things that are deeper than the relatively simple political programs and platforms of the parties or their representatives. I need to see beyond the veil to find out which party is at this time in history most closely aligned with what I think is good, and just, and true. If both of them have some traits that are commendable within a Christian worldview, which ones and how great is their import and emphases? We elect people for this reason only, to re-present, us. When I look at the fundamental divide between the way I see the world and the way that the Democratic candidate for President does, I find that we have very little in common even if on the outside, we might be superficially similar. We can be common on the little things, or common on the big things. On the big things, we are worlds apart.

Christopher Neiswonger

The original title of this blog was “Don’t punish Barack Obama with grandchildren.” But I thought it was too bitey.

24 Comments »

  1. Too crowded to write comment…..

    Comment by josephudo — September 5, 2008 @ 10:12 pm | Reply

  2. And that’s why *two* Christians won’t vote for Barack Obama. Abortion is the issue I feel most strongly about, and being pro-life is the first thing I look for in a candidate. I feel overly pressured to find some other thing, like health care reform or taxes and economy, that I can agree with just so I can say, “Well, I am also voting for him because of this…” But, really, if our starting point is that all life is precious, and that life starts at the moment of conception (even with the idea that life at least could *potentially* be at the conception), then being pro-life as opposed to pro-murder need only be the reason for a vote at all.

    Comment by Kris — September 6, 2008 @ 4:34 am | Reply

  3. Uhh … let’s make that *three*

    Comment by Josh — September 6, 2008 @ 7:17 pm | Reply

  4. four

    Comment by Clay — September 6, 2008 @ 11:04 pm | Reply

  5. Sure, that old canard about being a “one issue voter”, as if it’s a bad thing, would apply only if your one issue were venial or in some way disconnected to a larger more informed view of the world. When the one issue is the most fundamental to how Americans, but more than that how human beings in general should treat each other, there is no way to be half hearted about it. It would be completely irresponsible for me to knowingly vote for someone to be the leader of the nation of which I am a citizen when I know that they endorse the killing of children through abortion. I already know that they do not have the kind of informed insight into being a responsible part of the community that is the reasonable minimum for anyone that I would vest with that kind of power. There are simply too many problems with the person’s ethical sense that show a real lack of moral maturity. Perhaps in other times it would be forgivable for the politics of the country to have not caught up to our understanding. Sometimes, as with slavery, even when there is general agreement that a practice is a moral evil and should be prohibited by law, it still takes time for the wheels to move and change to come. But since through the sciences as through common sense all sides understand that we are speaking of human life when we are speaking of the unborn, to take anything but a pro=life position seems seems to put one on the wrong side of history. It shows that one is a retrogressive thinker. Part of the pro-abortion establishment of the 50s and 60s that is as backward as it is outdated. Still, they dying of bad thinking is sometime egregiously slow and changes in law slower yet.

    Neiswonger

    Comment by Neiswonger — September 6, 2008 @ 11:12 pm | Reply

  6. Pro-Choice is Pro-Life — Just as God, in the beginning, gave us a free will (Pro-Choice), He also gave us Life (Pro-Life), even knowing that we would choose death. One to place such an emphasis on giving either “Pro” more credance than the other is living a hypocritical life. Neither party (Democratice nor Republican), will be able to stop abortions. Unfortunately, neither will they reduce the number of abortions. Each party should however, instill moral values back into society. The Lord directed Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply. The question is not the resultant baby but sexual immorality that has swept over this country. A government cannot sway the decision of a determined abortionist — nor can the government shut down every abortion clinic, every back alley-unsanitized makeshift clinic, nor the “morning after” treatment. As Believers in Christ, let’s encourage our friends, children, grandchildren, other family members, and other Believers to be more concerned about the true meaning and purpose of sexual activity as was presented by God. Yes, Obama erred. It’s not the baby that’s at issue here. It is the sexual activity and in some cases sexual immorality.

    Comment by newest — September 7, 2008 @ 3:18 am | Reply

  7. Things being illegal reduces the number of instances. You are right in writing that making abortion illegal will not eliminate it entirely but to say that it will not drastically reduce the sheer quantity seem off base. Regulation manipulates behavior; that’s why we have laws. There are things that people want to do that society finds unacceptable. We regulate those things. It reduces the rate of occurrence. We cannot eliminate murder. Some people really want to kill other people. Still, we have laws against it and sanctions for the activity even though we cannot eliminate the practice entirely. It seems to make good sense.

    Some other things the we cannot eliminate but still choose the regulate would be theft, robbery, rape, nuclear weapons and speeding. The number of occurrences of all of them is limited by the possibility of sanctions. We would like to think that because the cause of all of these offenses is the disregard of the rights and well being of one’s neighbor that education might lead to the same end intended by sanctions, but as moral error is not restricted to those that do not understand right and wrong we need something more persuasive to curtail human action.

    When there is a penalty for an act, people will weigh the value of the act with the devaluation brought by the penalty. For the person with common sense, all that needs be done is to make the cost of the penalty greater than the profit from the act, and raise the probability of being caught to the level that cost acts as a deterrent. Basic principles of jurisprudence.

    This is all just to say that abortion being illegal like anything else being illegal will immediately reduce the number of abortions.

    Another thing that will immediately reduce the number of abortions, and which might even be more important because it is immediately achievable whereas making abortion illegal is not, is to remove the social pressures that might cause a woman to believe that killing her offspring is the most wise thing to do under the circumstances. If the cause is poverty, or hopelessness, or lack of education, or a perceived inability to raise a child, these functions have now by proxy because of the necessity thrust upon it by the legality and availability of abortion, become the purview of the Church. The Church cannot eliminate abortion, but she can and must mitigate the possibility by doing positive work toward affirming life. Simply condemning the practice of abortion will never be sufficient. A commitment to life requires action toward hope.

    Neiswonger

    Comment by Neiswonger — September 7, 2008 @ 4:37 am | Reply

  8. AMEN!!!!!!!!!! God knew our names before we were in our mothers womb! And TRUTH Will ALWAYS Prevail!!!!

    Comment by Jennifer — September 8, 2008 @ 8:55 pm | Reply

  9. this actually reminds me of a party operative that went to dinner with you and I once …awesome blog

    Comment by slamdancer777 — September 8, 2008 @ 8:56 pm | Reply

  10. I’m sorry but the whole Democrat/Republican issue really comes down to one issue and one issue alone. How a society can justify to themselves the idea of tearing limbs from trunk and head from torso all in the name of individual rights while their unborn baby screams and dies in terror is beyond me. Humanity is the most brutal of all species. The abortion debate has never been really about a women’s right to choose but more about humanities desire to avoid responsibilities for their actions. Men turn a blind eye as they don’t want to take responsibility for the child and women don’t want to be responsible for raising the child alone. I will never vote for a party that supports such depravity and sickness! All the other issues of socialism versus capitalism pale in importance to the killing of innocence.

    Comment by Kevin — September 8, 2008 @ 8:56 pm | Reply

  11. But I won’t vote for McCain either, since he seems to take “exceptions” to baby murder. This is not to rain muddy water on Mr. Neiswonger’s post, but simply to speak my conscience on the matter.

    Comment by Josh — September 9, 2008 @ 2:06 am | Reply

  12. I see the writer’s point, but if the argument is whether or not you’re voting for obama or mccain i think that the argument is flawed. mccain has stated that he will not make an attempt to over turn roe v wade. and he only has become pro-life after he became the nominee and needed to pander to his conservative base to get more votes. is a candidate who claims pro-life but is too intimidated by their own party any better?

    we can no longer allow the issue of abortion to be a blank check that we write any politician who “claims” the name of Christ. so if you abortion is the end all be all issue that will negate all other sinful issues a candidate might stand for, then i beg you to look at the big picture. i would ask that you realize that the other issues are not just superficial financial issues. there are massive civil and human rights issues that we have to think of as well.

    and if you’re thinking you’ll vote for another obscure candidate who shares your values but that has no chance to win, then i would say that this election is too important to throw away your vote. there are too many people suffering in our country and overseas because of the callas negligence of the current administration. to ignore all else would be a sin as well.

    Comment by raymond — September 11, 2008 @ 3:46 am | Reply

  13. Sure Raymond,

    But. Overturning Roe v.Wade would be essentially worthless at this point in the game and everybody knows that. It wouldn’t change a single law in this country.

    McCain is a states right guy, which means he would favor turning abortion over to the states. That is the same as Ron Paul’s shtick on this. While I think that as a matter of law it is a flawed position to take for many reasons, it is still of course a position that is prolife friendly in the short term and I’m sure that some states would actually make laws against abortion thereby limiting the sheer number of abortions.

    Still, the more clear minded prolife position is obviously that since life is a fundamental right, abortion should be illegal in every state, under the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and this should be clarified through an amendment to the Constitution if necessary. Anything else means abortion in moderation.

    But to say that McCain and Paul are pro choice because of this would be to misrepresent their positions. They simply prefer a different method politically to deal with the problem than I find to most effective. But I do understand that they think their plan to be achievable while mine is not. Maybe so.

    “we can no longer allow…” I’m not allowing, I’m choosing. Who are you to tell me not to vote my conscience? I believe that the killing of unborn children is the currently the primary political and moral issue of the day and so I’m going to vote that way.

    As for the “claims the name of Christ” thing you’ll be excited to know that I won’t vote that way. Since all of the candidates are claiming to be Christians I don’t care whether they claim it or not.

    If the Hindu candidate were the only one that were prolife I guess I would have to vote for them. I guess they would be the only one with any moral maturity or common sense.

    With Martin Luther, “better to be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian.”

    As for me voting for an obscure candidate, Do you have one in mind? Because I’m voting for Sarah Palin and she’s pretty well know now. If I have to vote for John McCain to get her elected I guess that will be the deal I’ll have to make. :)

    Neiswonger

    Comment by Neiswonger — September 11, 2008 @ 7:14 pm | Reply

  14. You stop voting you conscience right now, Mr Neiswonger, or it’s straight to the principal’s office!

    Comment by Josh — September 11, 2008 @ 9:01 pm | Reply

  15. well sir, forgive me if you thought i was telling you to go against your conscience (seriously i’m not being sarcastic here). i would never do that. if you have prayfully considered the issue and feel that you have heard from God in how you should use your vote, then i will not question that on any level. and if that is the case this conversation may not be for you or others who have made up their hearts already. i am speaking to those who are still considering facts that may influence their choice.

    i realize this conversation may be more applicable to the blog “There’s nothing wrong with being a “one issue voter” because that is the over arching issue.

    this disagreement is based on several fundamental issues. one. can we put a value on one life over another? meaning, is an unborn child’s life more important then a living child’s life? is a mother’s life more important then an unborn childs? and if so is the importance in the eyes of man or in the eyes of God? if we are all sinful and it is the grace of God that is the difference, at which point do we become sinful? at conception or birth? two. is one type of murder worse then another in the eyes of God? and this is a hard one, is one sin worse then another in the eyes of God? Catholicism demands penitents for various levels of sins. if you do something really bad, you must do this really good thing/prayer so many times to be forgiven. if you do something not so bad, you don’t have to do as many good things. the beauty of our Protestant faith it is the divine grace of God that covers all sins.

    so what am i getting at? my argument comes from the bases of “in the eyes of God”. if you believe that commandments are commandments, and that sin is sin without varying levels in the eyes of God, then you can not be a one issue voter. we as humans impose our own view of which sins are worse then others. i do it too. murder is worse then pick pocketing, rape is worse then lying. we as men have set up laws to govern our society accordingly. and if you admit to the issue of abortion being more evil then any other sin, then you have to argue that from a personal opinion stand point, and NOT from the spiritual perspective of this sin is worse then that sin in the eyes of God. therefore a one issue voting opinion is not biblically based. for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. there is no ONE issue. there is only sin and forgiveness.

    once we establish that perspective then i can argue why i am voting Obama instead of McCain. but if you don’t believe that for whatever reason, then there’s no point in continuing my argument any further.

    Comment by raymond — September 12, 2008 @ 3:31 am | Reply

  16. Raymond,

    I guess I would need to disagree with a lot of what you’ve written here, but most powerfully with your sentiments about historic Protestantism. What you are presenting isn’t in line with the historic faith. So I’ll try to answer you questions one by one.

    “one. can we put a value on one life over another?”

    Of course. We do it all the time. So does God.

    “is an unborn child’s life more important then a living child’s life?”

    No. It is not more important.

    “is a mother’s life more important then an unborn childs?”

    Whether or not it is more important depends upon who you are and what your relationship to the mother is. My responsibility to my wife is primary. My responsibility to my children is an expression of my responsibility to God and my neighbor within the context of the marital covenant as the basis for my children as the offspring that are of myself and my wife. Children as a life are the outpouring of two other lives. That is how we as Christians understand them. Human life is holy. It is sacred. All are created in the image of God. Thus they are all important to me. But all are not as important to me as others. But maybe I’m not reading what you mean by important?

    Still, mothers killing their own offspring is a practice that is utterly barbaric and cannot be condoned in a civilized society. Much less one that has the strong influence of Christian values.

    “if so is the importance in the eyes of man or in the eyes of God?”

    Well I would hope both.

    “if we are all sinful and it is the grace of God that is the difference, at which point do we become sinful? at conception or birth?”

    We do not at any time become sinful. Saying we become sinful is like saying we become human or we become genetically male or female. Life begins at conception, therefore our sinfulness being an expression of our human life means that they are the same thing for the purposes of your question. Adam became sinful. The rest of us are sinful.

    “two. is one type of murder worse then another in the eyes of God?”

    Of course it is. You know, these are really odd questions and I’m glad that you like to think deeply about this kind of thing. More Christians should take these kids of questions as seriously. I’m sorry if the answers seem terse but it is for the sake of time. The murder of Christ was worse than other murders. The murder of a leader of the people be they police officer or President, is worse than a “normal” murder, depending upon the relationship between people; the murder of a parent by a child is worse than a murder by a stranger; and the murder of a child by a parent is possibly the worst of all because God has established a special protective relationship between parents and children that is both spiritual and natural in its scope. Now all of this should be obvious to anyone that has spent some time becoming acquainted with God through reading the stories in the Bible. They are not differences that we bring to the Bible. They are differences that we are educated in by participation in the moral narratives contained therein.

    “and this is a hard one, is one sin worse then another in the eyes of God?”

    Again Raymond, unmistakably, definitively, obviously, some sins are worse than others in the eyes of God, because He is an intelligent personal being. I mean, it’s not like He can’t tell the difference between the moral qualities in human action but we somehow can. We see the difference because He does and we are created in His moral image and likeness, though fallen.

    To imply that you have an ability to see the obvious levels of harm from actions that are unloving toward God and one’s neighbor but He cannot seems inherently problematic. Some commandments are more important than others also. He understands better than we the offense to Himself and to other human beings that is cause by different kinds of sins. For someone to think that God does not see the difference between Rape and stealing a pack of gum is beyond all theological or merely reasonable credibility. It is quite offensive.

    “Catholicism demands penitents for various levels of sins….Protestant faith it is the divine grace of God that covers all sins.”

    Right-ish.

    “in the eyes of God”. if you believe that commandments are commandments, and that sin is sin without varying levels in the eyes of God, then you can not be a one issue voter.”

    Sure you can. Jesus said there was a Greatest commandment, and then a lesser one that was like it. So they are not equal.

    “we as humans impose our own view of which sins are worse then others. i do it too. murder is worse then pick pocketing, rape is worse then lying.”

    No. It’s God’s view. We just follow Him in it because we are thoughtful about these things.

    “we as men have set up laws to govern our society accordingly. and if you admit to the issue of abortion being more evil then any other sin, then you have to argue that from a personal opinion stand point, and NOT from the spiritual perspective of this sin is worse then that sin in the eyes of God.”

    We aren’t talking about it being a sin in the issue of how I vote, we are talking about it being a criminalized activity. A crime. There is a wide swath of difference between a sin and a crime. They should be related but are not identical. This is one “sin” that I think should be a crime. There are others that should not.

    “therefore a one issue voting opinion is not biblically based. for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. there is no ONE issue. there is only sin and forgiveness.”

    You do not seem to be making your point here in a way that I can find convincing. I think that is mainly because it is a confusion of categories. If someone steals my car, I can forgive them. I will forgive them. But when they are caught I want my car back and I still think grand theft auto should be illegal and punishable by law. There is no contradiction between these. The state’s job is not to forgive; it is to protect the innocent, restore them when wounded, and punish the guilty.

    “once we establish that perspective then i can argue why i am voting Obama instead of McCain. but if you don’t believe that for whatever reason, then there’s no point in continuing my argument any further.”

    Ok. Thanks. But I think that there is always room to further a discussion as long as people are willing to try to understand each other. I mean, you can’t just say that because I don’t already agree with you there is no reason to talk to me about the things we disagree about. That’s why we talk; to see if we can come to agreement with each other. If we don’t, then at least we will understand where each other are coming from.

    Neiswonger

    Comment by Neiswonger — September 12, 2008 @ 7:05 pm | Reply

  17. I wonder if an agreement could be reached. An end to the death penalty for the end of abortion?

    Comment by Timoneil — September 12, 2008 @ 11:18 pm | Reply

  18. Deal. Now that we’ve solved that problem… what’s next?

    Comment by Neiswonger — September 13, 2008 @ 3:10 am | Reply

  19. “I find it very hard to take people seriously as having a concern for the needy when they lightly pass by the weakest and most needful among us.” …right on Chris.

    Comment by Chris Michael Angelo — September 14, 2008 @ 9:06 pm | Reply

  20. This all sounds great until you consider McCain’s stand on abortion. If you follow his record and his own words, he appears pro-choice at times and then pro-life at others. This shouldn’t come as any surprise with all of his backpedaling and contradictions on any number of other issues (take the “strong state” of the US economy for starters).

    Comment by TT — September 19, 2008 @ 12:53 am | Reply

  21. Well I think he has been pretty uniform. Not that I’m voting for McCain as much as against Barack Obama for the aforementioned reasons. I’ve been watching McCain for a long time. He obviously gained a serene clarity on the issue when it came time for the election and he watched Giuliani crash and burn, but that isn’t because he had not always had what I consider to be a moderate pro-life position. The idea that the states should decide the issue is a moderate position that I happen to disagree with, but I don’t think it is fair to say that it is not a reasonable position to take. I just think the more reasonable position is that since the right of a human being to their life and to have it protected by law is a universal human right, and not merely a civil right, it is plainly a Constitutional issue and not merely a matter for the states to decide.

    Just as with slavery, matters of basic human rights are not open to any governmental level to deny. No state government has the right to legalize the termination of pre-born children’s lives. So of what use is a states rights position on the issue? Mitigation.

    Comment by Neiswonger — September 19, 2008 @ 2:37 am | Reply

  22. “and this is a hard one, is one sin worse then another in the eyes of God?”- I believe sin is sin to God,not one more than the other. Since Jesus told us anger is equal to murder and lust is equal to adultery.
    However, on the abortion issue, todays society has numbed itself with a womans right to choose. It comes back to behavior. As sad as it is, abortion due to rape is the smallest percentage. Most of the times it is because of BEHAVIOR! So we don’t want to teach our children abstinance because we have been dumbed down to think that your kids are going to have sex so teach them about “safe sex”. Sex is an ongoing discussion in our home. Abstinance is taught, along with respect for whatever girl may become his girlfriend. I do understand that boys are different than girls in that arena. However when respect is taught and taught at home your chances of a child actually waiting till the marriage bed is higher than most know.
    Then we will hear about those who want to try on shoes, how nasty is that? I don’t live in the dark ages, just have seen what HIV, HPV and HERPES can do to my friends and brother. How sad that parents can’t talk to their kids and leave it unwittingly to people that don’t hold the same values.
    Abortion is wrong, it is murder…the statement was made that if women couldn’t have abortions then child abuse would occur. Have you seen the statistics in our country alone on child abuse? Since 1973? I wonder for each child abused, did their mother have an abortion or was she a victim of abuse too from someone suffering from post abortion trauma.

    An unborn child is just as important as the mother. A murdererous rapist on death row is not the subject and nor should it be equated either.

    Comment by Heather — September 20, 2008 @ 2:49 am | Reply

  23. Just wondering. I wonder if God considers all His commandments equal?
    If so, can we fight to make adultery illegal? It destroys many homes and innocent lives. Can we make covetousness illegal? So when a country covets something another country has maybe they won’t be so eager to manipulate a war to get it. It destroys many innocent lives. Abortion is horrible. So are breaking any of the other commandments. The bible says the love of money is the root of ALL evil. I wonder if the oppression of the poor increases the rate of abortion? Despairing people do despairing things. We can pray that people choose to do right, we can love them and show them by example, we can teach the word, but when it comes down to reality it is still their seed to sow. Just wondering.

    Comment by marie white — October 15, 2008 @ 8:51 pm | Reply

  24. Lets make that 5…

    Comment by mauruschka — November 5, 2008 @ 12:45 pm | Reply


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